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Конференция C++ Russia

2020 July 28

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Gabriele in Конференция C++ Russia
Oh, I get it. As if you were suprised due to this.
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Ilya Pogudin in Конференция C++ Russia
FORTRAN ONE LOVE
Я не помню, когда я в последний раз использовал наречие "действительно" для усиления какой-либо моей фразы. Думаю, я бы его использовал в значении наблюдаемого факта. Например:
"Вода действительно потекла вниз (хотя можно было ожидать и другое поведение воды)"
действительно - really, в целом осталось только эта форма
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Gabriele in Конференция C++ Russia
So, it is not an "intensifier" of meaning.  I wrote it with the wrong meaning for weeks, and no one of my russian friends told me about it
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Gabriele in Конференция C++ Russia
they were really polite, actually, but I would have preferred to write better. So, thank you
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Ilya Pogudin in Конференция C++ Russia
is this actually a C ++ chat? :)
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Gabriele in Конференция C++ Russia
Yes. Sorry. End of OT.
The Russian language is wonderful, but it is really, really difficult to learn anyway. So, I feel like I simply wasted time not getting it right
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Ilya Pogudin in Конференция C++ Russia
Gabriele
Yes. Sorry. End of OT.
The Russian language is wonderful, but it is really, really difficult to learn anyway. So, I feel like I simply wasted time not getting it right
Его даже взрослые люди часто используют неправильно, таков язык. У меня жена филолог, пришлось узнать много нового о языке :)
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Gabriele in Конференция C++ Russia
Nice. My sister studied the same subject at university. I did not graduate in it, but I studied Latin and ancient Greek at a school.
Perhaps it could be useful to me to find a Telegram group to talk about the Russian language and not just the C++ programming language. But I have too much to learn about it already, from a russian grammar book.
I feel I could not progress in such a way, writing randomly. It is too early for me to write and speak proper russian
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Gabriele in Конференция C++ Russia
Now, очень --  end of OT )
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Alex Ф-ф-фэils!🌠︙... in Конференция C++ Russia
Ilya Pogudin
Его даже взрослые люди часто используют неправильно, таков язык. У меня жена филолог, пришлось узнать много нового о языке :)
Да, люблю наш родной язык, он чудесный
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Alexey Tkachenko in Конференция C++ Russia
Многие языки тяжело учить, потому что их логика не всегда очевидна. Для освоения любого языка на высоком уровне его нужно научиться чувствовать. Это касается и естественных языков, и языков программирования
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Gabriele in Конференция C++ Russia
Yes. Even Stroustrup mentions this clearly in this book https://www.stroustrup.com/programming.html
when he mentions how you could write C++ in older programming styles (pre c++98) and it would not feel natural at all writing it.
It would be just a different way of writing C++.
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Gabriele in Конференция C++ Russia
There are still people that write C++ in java style, or in smalltalk style, or in plain C style. And that is not C++
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Alex Ф-ф-фэils!🌠︙... in Конференция C++ Russia
Gabriele
There are still people that write C++ in java style, or in smalltalk style, or in plain C style. And that is not C++
Угу, я когда-то прошёл через эти стадии😂
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Gabriele in Конференция C++ Russia
This also applies to natural languages, like italian and russian. I really love Russia since childhood. I am sorry I cannot still speak and write russian correctly as a native speaker. English is such a simpler language. But I love Russian more
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Gabriele in Конференция C++ Russia
Alex Ф-ф-фэils!🌠︙
Угу, я когда-то прошёл через эти стадии😂
There are dozens of books that teach C++ in a wrong manner. Stroustrup also mentions this often. And he was upset about it
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Gabriele in Конференция C++ Russia
There are lots of people that only want to get money and royalties from books, and they really write poorly, not understanding anything about the language.
The worst books are usually "Learn X in Y minutes", but many others are awful, too.
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Gabriele in Конференция C++ Russia
Real study, real dedication, takes decades.  Just as in any other professional field. It is no different.
Unless someone wants to program in a fake environment, or copying and pasting from proprietary libraries without learning anything at all
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Alex Ф-ф-фэils!🌠︙... in Конференция C++ Russia
Gabriele
There are dozens of books that teach C++ in a wrong manner. Stroustrup also mentions this often. And he was upset about it
Ну , я в какой-то степени сам обучался, и опыт соседних языков повлиял, и гоф, чутка (как его и не любит @graninas )
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Alex Ф-ф-фэils!🌠︙... in Конференция C++ Russia
Gabriele
There are lots of people that only want to get money and royalties from books, and they really write poorly, not understanding anything about the language.
The worst books are usually "Learn X in Y minutes", but many others are awful, too.
Да, тут было в твиттере про книжку чешскую, вроде бы, про очень жуткий pre-K&R C
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