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stsoen in Sherlock Club
Leonardo Gammar
But we can work from abroad, it's a better but more costly option. So it depends on the requirements of the gov'. They are our clients at the end of the day.
Также мы можем работать из-за границы, это лучший, но более дорогой вариант. Так что это зависит только от требований правительства. Все же - они наши клиенты в конечном итоге.
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Yasmin in Sherlock Club
Moon Target
How do you plan to monetize?  In an open platform such as yours, voting can be skewed towards majority opinion.
How you will prevent people to vote more than 1 time?
Our Consensus mechanism is not financially incentivised, it is housed by well known and reputable NGOs, Universities, Organisations etc. Globally.

Every time Agora takes on a new contract from governments, institution etc. Depending on the scope of the service, can range from thousands to millions of dollars, a portion of our income is reserved to pay auditors in VOTE tokens for their efforts in each election.

Systematically 10% of the money made through each and every election, referendum, marketing survey, etc…is used to purchase and burn VOTE tokens.

2/5 of our income will be used to purchase VOTE tokens in the open market to pay auditors for their work.
For every election, large or small, Agora’s protocol requires auditors.
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Yasmin in Sherlock Club
Moon Target
How do you decide the particular NGO, University that you choose as CONSENSUS node is POLITICALLY NEUTRAL ? @leogammar @Yazz_M
It will be in their policy, we select those who don't deal with government issues.
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Leonardo Gammar in Sherlock Club
Maksym
How to verify identity when voting?
What to do when voting with forcing?
Why most of governments did not introduce this yet?
When are we will see system in used?
Where will be spread product in economic stable countries?
Anyone who submits their KYC can change their votes until the last second, so if someone takes their phone or tries to offer them money or tries to takes their passport for e.g. The person can simply go to another device login via their face (no passport needed as its already done) and change their vote right up until the last seconds.
Same is one entity tries to buy millions of votes, if anyone want to try that they need to hold the entire population hostage at the precise end of the electoral event :)

It's a brand new product, blockchain is a very new industry, it's normal, it has to grow, be tested step by step, tho we had presidential use cases.

Elections are very costly in developed countries + population especially young generation don't vote :)
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Mark Gagarin in Sherlock Club
Yasmin
Our Consensus mechanism is not financially incentivised, it is housed by well known and reputable NGOs, Universities, Organisations etc. Globally.

Every time Agora takes on a new contract from governments, institution etc. Depending on the scope of the service, can range from thousands to millions of dollars, a portion of our income is reserved to pay auditors in VOTE tokens for their efforts in each election.

Systematically 10% of the money made through each and every election, referendum, marketing survey, etc…is used to purchase and burn VOTE tokens.

2/5 of our income will be used to purchase VOTE tokens in the open market to pay auditors for their work.
For every election, large or small, Agora’s protocol requires auditors.
Наш консенсусный механизм не стимулируется в финансовом отношении, он размещен хорошо известными и уважаемыми НПО, университетами, организациями и т. д. Во всем мире.

Каждый раз, когда Agora заключает новый контракт с правительствами, учреждениями и т. д. в зависимости от объема услуг стоимость может варьироваться от тысяч до миллионов долларов, часть нашего дохода зарезервирована для оплаты аудиторам в токенах VOTE за их усилия на каждых выборах. ,

Систематически 10% денег, полученных в результате каждых выборов, референдумов, маркетинговых опросов и т. д., используются для покупки и сжигания жетонов VOTE.

2/5 нашего дохода будет использоваться для покупки токенов VOTE на открытом рынке для оплаты работы аудиторов.

Для каждых выборов, больших или малых, протокол Agora требует аудиторов.
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Leonardo Gammar in Sherlock Club
Serg
How Agora voting system is easy and accessible for voters ?
Can you explain shortly how skip chain architecture works on agora ecosystem?
Agora chain is a propriatary chain based on a non financially incentivised consensus mechanism which has been purpose built for the use case of voting.The need for a non financial incentive serves the communities and not the incentives of miners on the network. Agora’s public blockchain which is called the Bulletin Board is where the data is stored throughout any given election process. Any party can verify the validity of a given election as well as all of the intermediate steps of the voting process.

Our consensus is called proof of sign, not offering any financial incentive to the nodes, all of them are equal and the consensus is provided based on their digital signature. Agora has three technological innovations that make them stand out they are called Skipchain, Cotena and Valeda. Skipchain provides a consensus mechanism with high throughput and efficient transaction validation. Cotena then provides a method for storing cryptographic Skipchain proofs onto the Bitcoin blockchain and Finally, Valeda performs cryptographic proofs validating Skipchain and Cotena data all with the goal of providing high security and verifiability.

All ballots are encrypted on each individual’s voting device with open source encryption tech before being transmitted to Agora’s network. Then once ballots are put on the network, they are anonymized thus detaching the vote from the ID of the voter.
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Yasmin in Sherlock Club
Teamoha
@leogammar  @Yazz_M
Are private investors pissed off because of such vesting you made? Do you really care about them?
Of course we care many of them are strategic partners with who we maintain a strong relationship with and we continue to help each other. They are not flippers.
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stsoen in Sherlock Club
Leonardo Gammar
Anyone who submits their KYC can change their votes until the last second, so if someone takes their phone or tries to offer them money or tries to takes their passport for e.g. The person can simply go to another device login via their face (no passport needed as its already done) and change their vote right up until the last seconds.
Same is one entity tries to buy millions of votes, if anyone want to try that they need to hold the entire population hostage at the precise end of the electoral event :)

It's a brand new product, blockchain is a very new industry, it's normal, it has to grow, be tested step by step, tho we had presidential use cases.

Elections are very costly in developed countries + population especially young generation don't vote :)
Любой, кто отправляет свой KYC, может изменить свои голоса до последней секунды, поэтому, если кто-то берет их телефон или пытается предложить им деньги или пытается взять их паспорт, например, человек может просто зайти на другое устройство через верификацию по лицу (паспорт не нужен, поскольку он уже сделан) и изменить свой голос вплоть до последних секунд.
Это то же самое, как если одна организация пытается купить миллионы голосов, когда кто-то хочет попытаться сделать так, чтобы все население было в заложниках в конце избирательного мероприятия :)

Это совершенно новый продукт, блокчейн - это совершенно новая отрасль, это нормально, она должна расти, проверяться шаг за шагом, хотя у нас уже были варианты использования на президентских выборах.

Выборы очень дороги в развитых странах, еще и население, особенно молодое поколение, не любит голосовать :)
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Mark Gagarin in Sherlock Club
Yasmin
It will be in their policy, we select those who don't deal with government issues.
Это будет в их зоне ответственности, мы выбираем тех, кто не занимается государственными вопросами.
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stsoen in Sherlock Club
Leonardo Gammar
Agora chain is a propriatary chain based on a non financially incentivised consensus mechanism which has been purpose built for the use case of voting.The need for a non financial incentive serves the communities and not the incentives of miners on the network. Agora’s public blockchain which is called the Bulletin Board is where the data is stored throughout any given election process. Any party can verify the validity of a given election as well as all of the intermediate steps of the voting process.

Our consensus is called proof of sign, not offering any financial incentive to the nodes, all of them are equal and the consensus is provided based on their digital signature. Agora has three technological innovations that make them stand out they are called Skipchain, Cotena and Valeda. Skipchain provides a consensus mechanism with high throughput and efficient transaction validation. Cotena then provides a method for storing cryptographic Skipchain proofs onto the Bitcoin blockchain and Finally, Valeda performs cryptographic proofs validating Skipchain and Cotena data all with the goal of providing high security and verifiability.

All ballots are encrypted on each individual’s voting device with open source encryption tech before being transmitted to Agora’s network. Then once ballots are put on the network, they are anonymized thus detaching the vote from the ID of the voter.
Блокчейн Агора - это частный и основанный на механизме консенсуса, не стимулированном в финансовом отношении, который был специально создан для использования при голосовании. Необходимость в нефинансовых стимулах служит комьюнити, а не как стимулы майнеров в сети. Публичная цепочка блокчейна Agora, называемая доской объявлений, - это место, где данные хранятся в течение любого избирательного процесса. Любая партия может проверить действительность данных выборов, а также всех промежуточных этапов процесса голосования.

Наш консенсус называется доказательством знака, не предлагая никаких финансовых стимулов для узлов, все они равны, и консенсус предоставляется на основе их цифровой подписи. У Agora есть три технологических новшества, которые выделяют их, они называются Skipchain, Cotena и Valeda. Skipchain предоставляет согласованный механизм с высокой пропускной способностью и эффективной проверкой транзакций. Затем Cotena представляет собой механизм хранения криптографических доказательств Skipchain на блокчейне Биткойн, и, наконец, Valeda выполняет криптографические доказательства, проверяющие данные Skipchain и Cotena, с целью обеспечения высокой безопасности и проверяемости.

Все бюллетени зашифровываются на каждом устройстве для голосования от каждого человека с использованием технологии шифрования с открытым исходным кодом перед передачей в сеть Агоры. Затем, как только избирательные бюллетени помещаются в сеть, они анонимизируются, таким образом отделяя голосование от возможности установления личностей голосующих.
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Mark Gagarin in Sherlock Club
Yasmin
Of course we care many of them are strategic partners with who we maintain a strong relationship with and we continue to help each other. They are not flippers.
Конечно, нам небезразлично, что многие из них являются стратегическими партнерами, с которыми мы поддерживаем тесные отношения, и мы продолжаем помогать друг другу.
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Leonardo Gammar in Sherlock Club
ТОМА ТОМА
Hi,as I understand it, you have created decentralized application(supply chain Dapp), which allows  to track and plan the logistics of bulletins deliverie.Please say a few words about it,how will it help to save money?
Supply chain will help to make sure that the material are not lost, we have another app that track the expenses of the election. It happened in the past that some relative to a member of the gov' open a company that prints or distribute the ballots and get millions for this job, we wanna be able to track that.
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stsoen in Sherlock Club
Leonardo Gammar
Supply chain will help to make sure that the material are not lost, we have another app that track the expenses of the election. It happened in the past that some relative to a member of the gov' open a company that prints or distribute the ballots and get millions for this job, we wanna be able to track that.
Цепочка поставок поможет убедиться, что материал не пропадет. У нас есть еще одно приложение, которое отслеживает расходы на выборы. В прошлом случалось, такое, что кто-то из членов правительства открывал компанию, которая печала или распространяла бюллетени и получала миллионы за эту работу, и мы хотим это предоствратить.
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Leonardo Gammar in Sherlock Club
Leonid
you have public testnet in you roadmap. how are you going to run it? if everyone will have a possibility to try Agora?
yes that's the idea:Agora is a protocol built from the ground up not a Dapp on someone's else infrastructure. When you build on ETH you have to play within the contrains of ETH. Do you think that the US government would accept to take the risk of having Russian non KYCed miners providing consensus during their national elections ? Or vis versa Russia with the US... You cannot approach goverments with a Dapp... What if their laws say: "The final outcome of the election has to be the paper ballot result?" We built a protocol on top of which competitors. governments can come and build freely. We provide a supplychain solution to those who have paper ballot laws, we track the qr code and make sure the results are trustworthy.
So if you have a killer ID management app, one of your friends has a voice recognition app an your other friend does finger prints  recognition then please come and join build on top of our chain to help everyone build a safe environment for voting.
But Agora is not and will not be FB or Cambridge Analytica, we don't know who voted, not our role, we don't do or care about KYC. We receive ballots in a anonymised way, we shuffle them more and send them to the chain
the idea would be for us to become a foundation and let the citizen build apps and choose the best apps to work with
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stsoen in Sherlock Club
Leonardo Gammar
yes that's the idea:Agora is a protocol built from the ground up not a Dapp on someone's else infrastructure. When you build on ETH you have to play within the contrains of ETH. Do you think that the US government would accept to take the risk of having Russian non KYCed miners providing consensus during their national elections ? Or vis versa Russia with the US... You cannot approach goverments with a Dapp... What if their laws say: "The final outcome of the election has to be the paper ballot result?" We built a protocol on top of which competitors. governments can come and build freely. We provide a supplychain solution to those who have paper ballot laws, we track the qr code and make sure the results are trustworthy.
So if you have a killer ID management app, one of your friends has a voice recognition app an your other friend does finger prints  recognition then please come and join build on top of our chain to help everyone build a safe environment for voting.
But Agora is not and will not be FB or Cambridge Analytica, we don't know who voted, not our role, we don't do or care about KYC. We receive ballots in a anonymised way, we shuffle them more and send them to the chain
the idea would be for us to become a foundation and let the citizen build apps and choose the best apps to work with
да, в этом и заключается идея: Agora - это протокол, созданный с нуля, а не Dapp на чужой инфраструктуре. Когда вы строите на ETH, вы должны играть в рамках сети ETH. Считаете ли вы, что правительство США согласится пойти на риск того, что российские майнеры, не являющиеся членами KYCed, обеспечат консенсус во время своих национальных выборов? Или, наоборот, Россия с США ... Вы не можете подходить к правительствам с Даппом ...
Тем более если их законы говорят: "Окончательный результат выборов должен быть результатом бумажного голосования?" Мы создали протокол, поверх которого конкуренты и правительства могут свободно пилить свой софт.
Мы предоставляем решение для цепочки поставок тем, у кого есть законы о бумажном голосовании, мы отслеживаем QR-код и проверяем достоверность результатов.
Поэтому, если у вас есть приложение для управления идентификационными номерами, у одного из ваших друзей есть приложение для распознавания голоса, а у другого - распознавание отпечатков пальцев, тогда, пожалуйста, присоединяйтесь к нашей сборке, чтобы помочь всем создать безопасную среду для голосования.
Но Агора не является и не будет подобием FB или Cambridge Analytica, мы не знаем, кто проголосовал, это не наша роль, мы не занимаемся и не заботимся излишне о KYC. Мы получаем бюллетени анонимно, затем мы их перетасовываем и отправляем  в блокчейн.
Идея заключается в том, чтобы мы стали основой, чтобы позволить гражданам создавать приложения и выбирать лучшие приложения для работы с ними.
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Leonardo Gammar in Sherlock Club
Agora is a protocol, so the idea is that they can build their own app as well they dont need to use ours but obviously: Governments, competitors and communities can build as many Dapps as they wish on top of our infrastructures and utilise our chains, to help us all achieve our goal: Better elections all over the planet.

We would like to continue to win public tenders, become the standard in the industry and be recognised and recommended by the international community.
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Yasmin in Sherlock Club
Andrew G
Do you plan, to list on some DEX, CEX as a part of the marketing program?

did you propose your voting solutions to some governemnts?
it must be hard to work with corruptive governments.
We would like to reach Binance centralised Exchnage.

We have been working for 4 years not only on developing our technology but also building our international relations network and have had many gov use cases as mentioned above we offer different options, for e.g. if a gov takes a white label solution it will be taken behind their electoral commission. We are also continually approached by govs'.

We've had one case where a Gov wanted to pretend to use our service to make the country look better but without actually doing so, here we had to decline, but it doesn't mean that there are not ways in, step by step with these types of govs. We aim to be an international standard form of voting, therefore we think the international community will put pressure on nations who are not using the standard.
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stsoen in Sherlock Club
Leonardo Gammar
Agora is a protocol, so the idea is that they can build their own app as well they dont need to use ours but obviously: Governments, competitors and communities can build as many Dapps as they wish on top of our infrastructures and utilise our chains, to help us all achieve our goal: Better elections all over the planet.

We would like to continue to win public tenders, become the standard in the industry and be recognised and recommended by the international community.
Agora - это протокол, поэтому идея заключается в том, что на нем можно создавать свои собственные приложения, и им не обязательно использовать наши, но очевидно: правительства, конкуренты и сообщества могут создавать столько Dapps, сколько они хотят, поверх нашей инфраструктуры и использовать наш блокчейн, чтобы помочь всем нам достичь нашей цели: справедливые выборы по всей планете.

Мы хотели бы продолжить побеждать в открытых тендерах, постепенно становиться стандартом в отрасли и получить признание и рекомендации от международного сообщества.
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Leonardo Gammar in Sherlock Club
Andrew G
question: you are talking about adoptin your technology in Africa, but the news wrote that Agora was permitted to record the paper votes on its blockchain as “an international observer”, while the election results were actually tallied through an in-house database of the country’s National Electoral Commission (NEC)
basically that's not a full adoption of the technology.


is it possible to voter, to change it's vote ?
yes we tested it, compared our results. We are now invited in the next Bi-election for a more official role :) Any tech comes with testing, but they appreciate the result how fast the result came out. They looked into the technology very deeply and invited all political parties to understand how it works. As I said we are back in 2 years in Sierra Leone
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stsoen in Sherlock Club
Leonardo Gammar
yes we tested it, compared our results. We are now invited in the next Bi-election for a more official role :) Any tech comes with testing, but they appreciate the result how fast the result came out. They looked into the technology very deeply and invited all political parties to understand how it works. As I said we are back in 2 years in Sierra Leone
да, мы проверили это, сравнив наши результаты. Теперь нас приглашают на очередные Блокчейн-выборы в качестве более официальной роли :) Любая технология сначала проходит обкатку, но они оценили результат, и то, как быстро он был получен. Они очень глубоко изучили технологию и предложили всем политическим партиям понять, как она работает. Как я уже говорил, мы в итоге вернулись в Сьерра-Леоне через 2 года.
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