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2020 August 30

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Иван Великородов... in TON Info Чат
⚡️tooz⚡️ Wu
Изначально был только один TON.Кто-то предал сообщество и открытый дух, что привело к проекту TONCommunity.org, проекту NewTON, но теперь он открыт для «пропаганды»? Интернет-дух? Дедушка хочет с улыбкой проснуться из могилы.
Вам бы русскоязычного переводчика а не программу
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Иван Великородов... in TON Info Чат
Весь шарм пропадает в связи с некорректным переводом
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Иван Великородов... in TON Info Чат
I will try if you speak
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Wu Tang Clan in TON Info Чат
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⚡️tooz⚡️ Wu in TON Info Чат
⚡️tooz⚡️ Wu
Посмотрите, что люди говорят о технологии TON в @ton_en, это алмаз, и он должен иметь больший блеск. Лицемерные люди
Проекты сообщества должны развиваться от скромных до великих. Будь богат людьми. Вместо того, чтобы заставлять всех добровольцев работать на это. Приглашаем всех расти вместе с TONCommunity.org.
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Hqx5 in TON Info Чат
Hqx5
Вместо тысячи букв @TON_Catalog_bot 😁
Тоже прорекламлюсь, раз такая пляска)

Если есть проекты TON не представленные в этом боте или опубликованная в нем информация требует уточнения, то пишите в личку (желательно сразу с ссылками).
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Иван Великородов... in TON Info Чат
Hqx5
Тоже прорекламлюсь, раз такая пляска)

Если есть проекты TON не представленные в этом боте или опубликованная в нем информация требует уточнения, то пишите в личку (желательно сразу с ссылками).
У фритона не только сюрф как кошелёк (сюрф вообще не кошелёк) а и броксус бот и тонос слй
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PvP P in TON Info Чат
⚡️tooz⚡️ Wu
В команде TCF в марте мы предложили сообществом запустить TON и передать его официальным неоплачиваемым волонтерам Telegram. Извините, в то время какая компания (TONLABS) продолжала приглашать своих сотрудников, чтобы попытаться занять место в комитете TCF? Почему TONLabs запустил FreeTON сразу после выхода из TCF? Почему многие разработчики выступают против фритона после ухода из TONLabs? Могут ли красивые слова заткнуть пятна истории?
@everyone. I apologize for overreacting yesterday. As we figured out with @teodorix the whole thing was a misunderstanding. Allow me to put this in context so you can be the judge. Perhaps this will also serve to structure further discussions and avoid us having to go around in circles.
1.  A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away TON Community Foundation was started as a means to oppose what the blatantly stupid SEC expert did by claiming that there is “no consensus code in TON”.
2.  Thanks to @futurizt, who was able to write 26-page Amicus Brief in only a few days (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/16325310/192/1/securities-and-exchange-commission-v-telegram-group-inc/), other members were able to read it and agree to it, and thus the goal was achieved successfully.
3.  We did well. The court accepted it despite the SEC’s wild-eyed opposition (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/16325310/202/securities-and-exchange-commission-v-telegram-group-inc/). Thanks to this, a sort of PR campaign emerged, establishing TCF’s takeoff.  
4.  Concurrently, and in haste, TCF prepared documentation to serve as a constitution. At the time it became apparent that the two main questions that would need to be answered were a) member acceptance, and b) voting/governance principles.
5.  Due to a strict deadline and long debates about wording on the website, etc., it was not finalized; however, the SPIRIT of TCF’s constitution as I perceived it was agreed to by @teodorix insomuch that this would be an open community where everyone who brings value to the TON ecosystem will have a vote.
6.  In the “first draft” it was agreed to with @teodorix that new Full Members would be accepted only if they had at least 2 recommendations.
7.  For a month nothing happened.
8.  AFTER that we discussed and agreed that this okay for the time being and that moving forward new members could be accepted even if they had only 1 recommendation.
9.  And still not much changed. Maybe something like 20 new members (+/-) were accepted, while the queue was growing.
10.  For 2 months I spoke regularly to @teodorix, and we agreed that it was abnormal to see very influential people who bring so much to the table didn’t even receive so much as an email after having filled out the application on the website, which by the way last time been updated February 20th!
11.  Finally, 2 days ago I agreed with @teodorix that we will accept @marina0733 as a Full Member and ask her to help this process along. She took it very seriously and spent a day reading everything and asked a whole bunch of good questions, including how to effectively evaluate candidates who applied/apply to become members of the community.
12.  It worked!!! After a few members were accepted by Marina, @emile got to work doing the same thing.
13.  Then all-of-a-sudden, yesterday, I learned that a few of the group members decided to create what they called “Testnet #2” with the purpose of becoming a secondary testnet after Telegram. Sorry guys, but are you aware that since Novermber 2019 there already was and is a testnet 2 that was launched by TON Labs? https://net.gramscan.io/. In other words, yours would be testnet 3, which by the way is a fantastic idea!
14.  Out of curiosity I called @flugdreka to ask about the reasons behind this move and figured out that the group would like to prepare scripts, whereby anyone would be able to start their own TON. I agreed that this was a great idea, but that it would be far simpler to just ask TON Labs to open those scripts. And again, it is absolutely fine to have different solutions for this piece of infrastructure.  
15.  @Futurizt promised that scripts would be open sourced once devops returns from vacation and prepares a repo for it (should be next week).
16.  On the same call @flugdreka mentioned that he was preparing a proposal for new member acceptance. I said we should add a proper description for voting procedures and @flugdreka promised (!) to send me a draft so we could work on it together.
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17.  Suddenly @teodorix told me that the same group p.13 (surprise, surprise!) decided to put a constitutional proposal into the group and “discuss it there”, with outrageous parameters such as point 5) “Full Members should recommend any new FM or all FMs should vote for new FM in 7 day vote.”
18.  The most outrageous part to me was the attempt to apply this retroactively, starting by counting recommendations from initial members, whereby all-of-a-sudden the majority of those individuals who were introduced into this chat as members come to find out that they don't have Full Member status.
19.  That coupled with a statement from @flugdreka that this is now a “community vs TON Labs move” and @teodorix’s statement that it “was consciously prepared without discussing problems”, all about a process that finally started to work just a day ago (p.12). Can you see how this might be interpreted as a plot to collude?
20.  Fortunately however, we now figured out that @teodorix never meant for it to appear that way.
21.  To avoid any misunderstandings, there never was, at least not from my side, any intention to accept everyone that applies. The main problem that I saw was that nobody was doing anything over the course of 2 months to structure this process. I 100% agree that we should have a consensus, but first we should be thinking about how to quickly accept qualified candidates rather than about how to protect and comfort a small group of people with 2 postings per day.
22.  Regarding TON Labs presence, as I mentioned above, I can barely imagine that there would be more than 10 people who work for TON Labs who would be crazy enough to spend their time engaging in in TCF debates. Some of them are so busy that they literally sleep less than 3 hours/night. I’m serious! So the simple remedy to this problem as @flugdreka proposed a short time ago is that there should be 200 Full Members and TL’s share will be as much as 5%.
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PvP P in TON Info Чат
Иван Великородов
Интересно, а можно подробнее пожалуйста
См ниже.
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PvP P in TON Info Чат
⚡️tooz⚡️ Wu
Проекты сообщества должны развиваться от скромных до великих. Будь богат людьми. Вместо того, чтобы заставлять всех добровольцев работать на это. Приглашаем всех расти вместе с TONCommunity.org.
Show me your GitHub. Period.
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Antonio Marreti 🚩 in TON Info Чат
Неуважение ко всем участникам уровень: пишу специально на английском, зачем – хз
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PvP P in TON Info Чат
⚡️tooz⚡️ Wu
Проекты сообщества должны развиваться от скромных до великих. Будь богат людьми. Вместо того, чтобы заставлять всех добровольцев работать на это. Приглашаем всех расти вместе с TONCommunity.org.
ALL users who say a word about other TONs are blocked in Chinese groups. The project which added literally nothing to the code, fully anonymous, launched an ICO with ERC20 token called Ton (which along a serious insult for Nikolai Durov) deserves only to be called SCAM.
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PvP P in TON Info Чат
Antonio Marreti 🚩
Неуважение ко всем участникам уровень: пишу специально на английском, зачем – хз
Первые тексты исторические из группы TCF.
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Antonio Marreti 🚩 in TON Info Чат
Да какая разница, я уже высказал шо увидел
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⚡️tooz⚡️ Wu in TON Info Чат
@prigolovko Да, я занес тебя в черный список.  Я признаю.
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PvP P in TON Info Чат
PvP P
ALL users who say a word about other TONs are blocked in Chinese groups. The project which added literally nothing to the code, fully anonymous, launched an ICO with ERC20 token called Ton (which along a serious insult for Nikolai Durov) deserves only to be called SCAM.
Все пользователи кто хоть чуть упоминают другие Тон проекты в китайских группах блокируются. Проект который вообще ничего не добавил в код, полностью анонимен, запустил ICO на базе ERC20 токена с именем Тон (что само по себе является серьезным оскорблением Николая Дурова) не заслуживает друго названия кроме СКАМ.
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PvP P in TON Info Чат
⚡️tooz⚡️ Wu
@prigolovko Да, я занес тебя в черный список.  Я признаю.
И сколько еще других людей?
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⚡️tooz⚡️ Wu in TON Info Чат
Вы поместили меня в черный список и сказали "ничего"
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PvP P in TON Info Чат
⚡️tooz⚡️ Wu
Вы поместили меня в черный список и сказали "ничего"
Вы позорите бренд TON
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